Thief-ness

[Lomion]

Okay x.x I figured I should put some basic knowledge up for all those who use or sub thf...or need to learn about thf at all >>;

This giving more insight on a thf and making you understand how we work in a party. (this is somewhat for newer people ^^

Thief and there stats:
As was mentioned by Tinora, we should be consintrating on Dex and Agi.
Dex is the mod for Sneak Attack (SA)
Agi is the mod for Trick attack (TA)
Now in the beginning you only should worry about Dex, for TA isn't gotten until lvl 30.
Now this is a majorly important part that not many people care to think about. While boosting Agi for TA is nice...it's not needed yet. TA is used when behind a person to give you a critical in attack and transfers hate to the person you're behind. TA can and will miss, thus why thfs SATA on tanks. The hate transfer is always there with TA, but it can still miss hitting thus giving tank no hate at all. When combined with SA, Trick Attacks effect is still there but SA makes sure there is hate going to the tank.
Overall:
SA will hit all the time as long as your behind the mob
TA can miss but when stacked with SA it's effect is still there when behind a person.
So Agi is still not a big need! Have some Agi boost for when party doesn't have second voke, but stay consintraited on Dex for now.

SATA WS

SATA stacks with almost all weapon skills except elemental ones. Assuming your using a dagger Gust Slash and Cyclone will not stack with SATA.
For those who are up in lvl and use dagger, Viper Bite sucks @ss if you don't stack it with SATA. Now you can Sa Viper Bite or Ta Viper bite (If the Ta misses it will suck just as bad as if you didn't use Ta), but they don't add up as well as SATA. >> this doesn't seem important...but I figured I would put it in here because some people don't realize how pointless Viper Bite is on its own. ^^;

^^ I have finally hit lvl 60, and though I haven't been 60 long I think I've seen enough to give some info.
First off, at 60 we get our newest Job Trait called Assassin. This JT makes TA more like SA by making sure it never misses while behind someone. x.x And yes this means you can kill someone easier...and no I don't suggest doing it...much J/king >> for you don't want a bad name...yet.
Now that JT only comes into play when TA is used on it's own. Though I should say that SATA still does more damage, but now with Assassin you don't need a second voke to get hate on tank.

Now at Skill lvl 200 for dagger we get the WS Dancing Edge (DE).
Dancing Edge:
A 5hit weapon skill
Mods:
Dex: 30%
Chr: 40%
Stacks with Sa Ta *said to only effect the first hit*

DE is wonderful...but a pain ><
You see, it hits 5 times, but that means it can miss on some of those hits which decreases your damage.

Things that effect DE:
Dex and Chr are the mods...but Str/Att. and Acc. play a hand in it as well. To top this off there isn't much equip that helps with our Chr x.x
So you're down to working with Dex, str/att., and acc.
I'm playing around with that for now...I'll give you more info after I see more results.
Suggestions towards this I will happily take x.x for this DE is fun to use but I want to use it at it's best.

::Continue at later date::

[Lomion]

This is the post for basic knowledge on subbing thf and what I know about it.

The big one is, SaTa are both gimped when subbing thf...I'm sorry x.x
SA and TA are treated as normal every day 'can miss' criticals in which you still need to be positioned correctly to get. You lose the Dex and Agi modifiers from my understanding as well.

^^ But atleast SATA still stack with WS!
x.x anyone have more info on this I would appriciate it...for I'm not sure of to much >>; (doesn't sub thf)

[Dyunei]

hurry up and get 60 lom >.>

On a lighter note, nice guide. Ill add it to the sticky when im not feeling so lazy

[Vilicant]

ive come to notice that drk/thf at 75 does sick dmg lol, last night this drk was doing SATA spiral hell for 1000+ each time i wish my drg could do such dmg lol, then again thown said that he had str+ up the wazooooo, ive come to notice that wheeling thrust has a 50% str modifier so i really need to get on some str+ gear for ws

[Delmato]

first of all, for readers out there wondering about TA, TA does not automatically transfer hate, instead it gives the damage done by TA to the person you are behind(usually sufficent damage to give hate) because of this you can TA onto the tank while the mob is already facing him, giving him more hate. I just got 60 thf and i have noticed that TA always hits like lom said but it also always crits(i have done more damage with a TA than a SA) just a nice fact btw thf rocks

[thownwh]

yea vili was the drk waiting for 300tp cause when i wait for 300tp sa(ta) spiralhell i havent done less then 1500 in a long time lol and if a drk uses sprial hell w/o 300%tp hes just wasting good tp lol